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What's Up With George John?

Is the band getting back together?

In the chaos of the pre-season, player acquisitions and filling the remaining holes on the roster, some may forget that FC Dallas has a defender named George John, you may have heard of him. It's crazy to think that one of the most dominant center backs in the league over the last two years is kind of an afterthought to an FC Dallas team that has added two new center backs in the offseason.

George has, unfortunately, failed to even get on the gameday roster for a game as the Hammers ended up signing James Tompkins to a new contract rather than selling him, while other circumstances, like the Saturday afternoon game being canceled due to froze pitch, keeping John from working his way into a crowded fixture schedule. Has Big Sam been impressed enough with him in training to splash the cash on the defender?

While I'm sure MLS, FC Dallas and John himself would probably prefer that the Hammers end up paying his transfer fee, if they choose not to then John returns to FC Dallas just days before the season starts. So what's going to happen? I talked to a source very close to the situation yesterday and the fact of the matter is that no one knows right now how things will play out. It's looking like things are 50-50 at this point and literally anything could happen between now and the March 5 deadline. Let's take a look at the possible scenarios.

West Ham chooses to purchase John's rights The best scenario for everyone involved from FC Dallas' standpoint. George John is absolutely a professional and I don't see there being any problems from a locker room standpoint if he returns, however I'm sure MLS would love to get the cash from the transfer, FCD would love the allocation and GJ would love the bump in salary. It's a win-win from all standpoints.

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George John returns and plays the season out with Dallas It's never a problem to have too many options at a position and while John may not start opening day, I can't see a scenario where he sits on the bench if he's available for the season. Hernan Pertuz has looked good, but he's not the proven option that George John is and Matt Hedges is still a bit green to be considered for starts. George is a professional and great locker room guy so I wouldn't anticipate any sort of problems with him re-integrating into the squad for a final run at MLS Cup.

Should George John spend the season with Dallas, the Red Stripes would have an incredibly deep center back stable, though he would probably leave at the end of the season for nothing which is not a palatable option.

George John returns to MLS and is traded This is, perhaps, the most interesting option of the three. While teams would know that they'd be acquiring a player that is likely gone at the end of the season, you've got to think Schellas could find that backup forward or right midfield option he's been searching for by shopping John around the league to a team that thinks they may be able to convince him to sign a new contract. I can't see Hyndman trading John to a Western Conference opponent, but there's plenty of teams in the East that would love to add a center back of John's caliber.

So what will happen with the situation? As I said earlier, no one knows. We'll just have to see how things shake out in the next couple of weeks.

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Option 1 please

Like you say this is the best thing for everyone involved. I had not even thought of option 3 but I would hate to see him playing elsewhere, in MLS, even though it could help us out in the long run.

by soccerroo on Feb 16, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

who knows?

I asked Iain Dale of westhamtillidie.com, who I traded questions with at the beginning of GJ’s loan, if any coach, player or journalist had said anything about John’s practice performance or odds of being kept on after March 5, and he quickly responded:

I haven’t heard anything to be honest

Tracking George John’s loan certainly wasn’t a high priority for Iain, but the complete lack of buzz is disconcerting.

www.bigdsoccer.com

by fennsk1 on Feb 18, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

1 as well

Pretty much if we can’t keep him I don’t wanna have to face him, even if he does go East and it’s once a year.

Plus I’d like to get some money out of him, even if it’s very little.

by Timothy Winning Voyles on Feb 16, 2012 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

How realistic is Option 3?

Not sure how much we could get for a player who is clearly on his way out of MLS after this season? I’d be interested but doubt that we’d get enough in return to make it worthwhile.

Hopefully Option 1 works out because I have a lot of respect for the player and his willingness to chase a dream of playing overseas.

by jyj on Feb 16, 2012 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

they'd offer something

There’s precedent in many sports (but especially baseball) of trading for someone in the last year of their deal. It’s really not that different from a loan, really.
I do wonder about value, though. For one year of an elite MLS defender, I think a club would offer small allocation money or a prospect, or a bench player. If I’m right, and those are the best offers they get, I’d keep GJ unless Hedges starts to look really good really fast.

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by fennsk1 on Feb 16, 2012 6:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

GJ should be fit...

I would start him day 1 if he stays with FCD…scored in his first reserve match with the Hammers…we could use that aerial asset…Hedges developmental minutes are scarce if GJ sticks…but unheard of depth at the position though, and it is a long summer…like to see him stay…West Ham already has their slot locked up in Championship play…when they jump to EPL they will be looking for bigger fish…DO NOT trade him to an MLS team…this is a competition not a charity…FCD is dealing from a postion of strength in this matter…

"It was impossible to get a conversation going. Everybody was talking too much" - Yogi Berra

by rindworld on Feb 16, 2012 8:02 PM CST reply actions  

Boy number 3...

Would be heartbreaker. I’d hate to see it happen.

by mobushnaq on Feb 16, 2012 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

what's the difference?

If FC Dallas gets back value from an Eastern club commensurate to their share of the potential WHU transfer fee, why not? The only difference would be FCD facing that club with GJ once (unless they met in the playoffs).
I surely don’t want to see him in orange, but if they can get value and are confident in their backline minus him, a trade to any other Eastern Conference club has to be considered.
That being said, GJ should be better than any of their other options, and I think a trade only happens if Pertuz and Hedges are both healthy and very promising. There’s also no guarantee that they’ll be offered acceptable value.

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by fennsk1 on Feb 17, 2012 10:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

given the recent transactions, 'commensurate' would be the key word...

"It was impossible to get a conversation going. Everybody was talking too much" - Yogi Berra

by rindworld on Feb 17, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying
  1. is likely, but if Pertuz proves to Schellas that he’s starting quality, then it makes sense to trade George with Hedges & another guy as backup.

You don’t keep a player of that quality if he’s leaving at the end of the season and you can get a good piece for him.

Like you said though, it all depends on what you get back.

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by Daniel Robertson on Feb 17, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly...

Depends on what you get back. If you’re a team wanting to rent a player for a season. What do you offer?

by mobushnaq on Feb 17, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

If it was #3

It would have to be one hell of a right wing prospect for having him in MLS with another team.

by matthewe08 on Feb 17, 2012 4:46 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

WHU tidbit

a quick perusal of the West Ham roster on the whufc.com page shows George John in the #25 shirt, that’s it. This isn’t too terribly interesting except that the West Ham roster clearly denotes each player that is currently on loan from another team and the “on-loan from FC Dallas MLS” is conspicuously missing from GJ’s name. Right now, there are 5 players showing the on-loan status on that roster and GJ isn’t one of them.

Conspiracy theorists’ have at it…..

by jessexy on Feb 18, 2012 12:20 AM CST reply actions  

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